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I wanna float the idea of merging parts of Utena's background with the Grail War. I'm not sure about this idea myself, since I don't know enough about F/SN. That's why I need those of you who know the series to let me know!

Here's the conversation me and Fron had on the idea:

2:03:22 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: heya
(2:03:49 AM) froncentrate: Yo!
(2:03:58 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: me and bill were discussing the idea of blending utena's canon and the grail war but I don't really know enough about it to tell whether that would be a good idea
(2:04:04 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: he said to go to you for backgroudn
(2:04:34 AM) froncentrate: Well, how did you want to blend it?
(2:05:17 AM) froncentrate: If you want, Utena's family could have participated sometime back.
(2:06:07 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: well I never played f/sn but there's some obvious similarities. mainly that they're fighting over an artifact that supposedly grants miracles/whatever you want
(2:06:33 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: and utena was created by akio as an artificial hero
(2:06:44 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: maybe he got the idea from the grail war? he's thousands of years old
(2:07:01 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: like he was trying to create an artificial heroic spirit
(2:07:21 AM) froncentrate: Sure, if he's well-versed in magic, which I assume he would be, then sure. It's not like Heroic Spirits can only be created via the Grail. It just needs lots and lots of magical energy.
(2:07:35 AM) froncentrate: Yuna's trying to do the same thing here. Lord Yuna, one of the Masters and very much a villain.
(2:07:44 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: oh yeah he's a demi-god
(2:09:17 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: most of his power was sealed away, so he needed a hero to open it back up again. that's what the duel game was about, to create one
(2:09:47 AM) froncentrate: Then the system was created based on the Holy Grail War. Sounds fitting, actually! That could work.
(2:10:38 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: so utena was created by him as an attempt to make an artificial saber perhaps?
(2:10:56 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: maybe he approached some of the other heroic spirits in the past trying to tempt them into working for him
(2:11:23 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: and maybe he in turn was the original inspiration for the rider class
(2:12:17 AM) froncentrate: The Rider class was already established from the very beginning as far as I know. And... chances are, his approaching the Heroic Spirits would not work out that well. The game's pretty secretive.
(2:12:28 AM) froncentrate: Secretive on threat of brutal murder.
(2:12:32 AM) froncentrate: Usually.
(2:12:53 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: before he was akio/ends of the world he was a demigod who rode around doing heroic things
(2:13:03 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: then how would he know about it to create utena in the first place?
(2:13:11 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: well he's had a long time to notice things
(2:13:25 AM) froncentrate: ... oh. oh, wait
(2:13:29 AM) froncentrate: okay, I see what you're trying to say
(2:13:34 AM) froncentrate: yeah, that could definitely work.
(2:13:50 AM) froncentrate: Hell, Hassan's the inspiration of the Assassin class while Merlin is more or less the same to the Caster class.
(2:15:45 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: yeah, each of the classes has a figure that inspired them, right? like the archetypal, platonic ideal of that class?
(2:17:22 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: anyway, couldja float the idea to the others in the grail war if you talk to them?
(2:18:46 AM) froncentrate: It might be better if you personally spoke with them. You're familiar with your ideas better than I am... as evidenced by that bit of miscommunication on my end.
(2:20:02 AM) lionel boyd "bokanon" johnson: k